Stupid Photographer In Front Of Firing Line On Range Paul June 26, 2012 Video 26 Comments Did that actually just happen? Yes. Yes it actually did. Ash Hermit says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM What a damn Moron! Christopher Blake says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM This ladies and gentlemen is why we have ORM. Don’t worry though his trusty fanny pack will save him from any stray bullets! Donovan Shelton says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM what about bullet fragments from hitting the backstop? Alex Calfee says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM Where is his glow-belt? Chris Boyer says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM I have opinions! I’m angry! Mordecai Yitzhak says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM I’ve been a student of Tactical Response twice, and Jay was an instructor a both classes. He’s an extremely competent instructor who cares about his students. People who haven’t been in one of his classes who want to denigrate his skill as an instructor are pontificating from ignorance. Troy R. Stull says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Kathie Heppert says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM I have my CCW and a range at my home. I would NEVER allow anyone downline like this. Man in navy shirt acts clueless and can’t count to 5. I have seen too many misfires and stray bullets. You never know when that bullet decides to hit a nail in the backstop or what ever. We have a 1″ piece of 4′ x 8′ solid steel behind ours. Hope the idiot calling in background gets his due for letting the cameraman there. Cameraman…..where’s your Vest? John Garrett says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM Id go to war with Jay any day of the week. Michael Hasbun says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM That’s a man with confidence in the training and abilities of his compatriots…. It would be amazing if our training was up to snuff enough to inspire that level of confidence. Chad Kinney says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM It only takes one bullet to have a really bad day! Kyle Lynch says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM If you’re an untrained and incompetent gun-store commando, I’m sure this looks like a “Stupid photographer in front of firing line on range.” Fortunately, those of us with enough training and real-world experience to have a mature tactical perspective recognize this as an excellent training opportunity for those fortunate enough to have been on the range that day AND a motivating display of confidence from an instructor towards his students. This blog claims to be “The American military’s most trusted news source.” You’d soil your pants if you were exposed to the dangers of the training and combat our Special Operations warriors go through. I’ve done things while in uniform waaaaayyyy more dangerous than this. And, funny thing, I don’t ever remember there being a “firing line” in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Brent Harlow says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM Wow, I can`t believe some of these comments. Sure, doing a fire-team size live-fire shoot-house probably is just as dangerous as this, but that has training value. This jackass is putting himself in danger for no good reason. The guy on Shark Week who floats on the rubber raft with the high-res camera to record jumping Great-Whites is at least risking his life to get amazing footage that he couldn`t get any other way. This guy could just as easily get the same shots by having the shooters pose beforehand. That photographer is an idiot, and whoever is running that range is an asshole. Eric Bate says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM Really defending this? I get the idea that combat photogs are often in the line of fire, under fire aimed AT them, but this to me is just asking for trouble in a major way. a lot of people die in accidents where “they couldn’t get it wrong” and the driving analogy is just fallacious. I see this video as A) fodder for the anti’s to use in their fight to strip gun rights, and B) a bad example that needs some kind of disclaimer, so that some idiot “gun store commando” doesn’t go out and do the same thing. He may very well have all the confidence in the world, but breaking every rule of gun safety is not a good example, and terrible PR. Tim Mulverhill says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM If you carry a gun, the whole world is down range. Do you want your first experience shooting past someone to be in the 7-11 during a botched holdup, or in a controlled learning environment? If you aren’t comfortable doing this then you have no business CCW. Go play airsoft instead. Jacques Daspy says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM Realize that he was shootin’ back with something much larger than 9mm? Anthony Navarro says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM Michael Hasbun is right on the money…. if your not confident in your training… and your students…. then you would not be comfortable in what jay did. I have on many occasion been photographed by jay doing the same thing and let me tell ya… I made 1 hole with 30 rounds! Alot of people that don’t train will never get what I am talking about… to those that do…. we train till we cannot get it wrong Mortar Maggot says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM From an Infantryman, no, no, a million times no. All it takes is one bad twitch from Murphy and this ends badly. There is no reason for it, it does not make for good training, it does not make the training any more efficient. All it does it create a really cool picture and a bar story. From someone who has laid his life on the line, that shit is not worth being downrange. If you really must have the picture, line it up with the shooter having an unloaded weapon with the slide locked back. Then set it for auto shoot and move out of the way. I’d love to have one of you civilian commando wannabee’s tell me exactly how this is safe and/or contributes to training. VG Price says: February 26, 2014 at 12:54 AM Nah. It’s just dumb.Confidence in your fellow shooter? All it takes is a bad round at the factory, somebody bouncing one off the frame, not worth it. Especially in this day and ago of people demonizing firearms. But.. this the age of reality television and JACKASS shows. My 3 cents. GI Zhou says: October 1, 2012 at 6:40 AM Just saw the video and it was amateur hour. Guys turning around with gun in hand, piss poor holster clearance, slack magazine changes, and most would be dead in real life. Because in real life, at what five metres range, you better hit that get that target real damn quick. Kneeling my arse I would have fired two shots into the head at that range and holstered my handgun. I notice that the shooter to the left of the camera man was taking his sweet time. In my days it was called close quarter battle and learnt to disarm using my hands as well. Handguns are a back up and nothing else. I would be using a long arm and train with the shit I would carry. This is just wannabe stuff. GI Zhou says: October 1, 2012 at 6:22 AM Jeff Cooper was not the father of modern pistol craft, well he was in his own mind, but it William Ewart Fairbairn who first taught the double tap and rapid magazine changes in 1928. Cooper was just grand standing on other people’s work. His four rules were well known and taught by Fairbairn except, and why is the guy taking the photograph is a dumbass? because shit happens. You don’t need someone down range taking photographs for his jollies. Amateurs might get off on that shit, not professionals. John says: September 7, 2012 at 1:51 AM That’s pretty dumb. Not as dumb as forgetting you left the car in neutral and leaving the emergency break on while taking fire on the road in Iraq, but pretty dumb. Joel Kliesen says: June 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM Excellent, we agree. I wasn’t sure where you were going with your comments so thanks for clarifying. Michael R says: June 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM Dude, you have zero clue. Joel Kliesen says: June 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM Care to offer some substance with that comment? Michael R says: June 29, 2012 at 11:55 AM I have already on the facebook posts associated with this article. But i will restate them again. The title for this article is “stupid photographer in front of firing line on range” This is inferring that being downrange while people are shooting is a stupid idea. But let’s look at this a little closer. The question is why is it considered stupid? Are these people trying to kill him? No, they are not, they are simply shooting at the target in a controlled enviroment. Would the poster of this article consider it stupid for a combat photographer imbedding themselves with a military unit in Afghanistan or Iraq? In an enviroment where insurgents or terrorists are trying to kill the unit they are imbedded with? Taking the lack of evidence from the net of articles whereby combat photographers are being called stupid, i would think that most nobody has an issue with a combat photographer being imbedded with a unit. Yet they are downrange, no different from the gentleman in the video. So lets take the aspect of doing something dangerous. I mean OMG he is downrange of a firing line!!!! (sarcasm intended). What other actions do we take on a daily basis that are considered dangerous. How about we use the driving a car analogy. We take it for granted that driving down the rd at 60mph with another vehicle coming at us at 60mph is safe. Yet when we google car crashes, it is evident that this is not the case. Yet we do not consider driving on the highway stupid. BASE jumping? Bungee jumping? Wingsuit flying? Rockclimbing? Where are the articles of calling the people who engage in these activities, stupid? Now let’s look particularly at the circumstances of the video. The four universal firearms safety rules, as set forth from Jeff Cooper, who is the father of modern pistolcraft are: All guns are always loaded Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target Always be aware of your target, what’s around it, behind it. In watching this video when were any of the four rules broken in regards to the photographer? Zero were violated. There are arguements all over the net on this video. These are only mine and why i feel that the original poster has zero clue.